Coughlin said it's possible they could or should have stressed the passing game more in the preseason, and he said he expects things will look better "once we zoom in on an all-encompassing game plan."
Other notes from Coughlin's day-after conference call:
- He said the timetable on guard Geoff Schwartz's recovery from toe injury is likely to be a bit longer than 3-to-4 weeks. He didn't rule out placing Schwartz on short-term injured reserve, which would keep him out for the first eight weeks of the season, but it sounds as though they hope they don't have to do that.
- Coughlin said middle linebacker Jon Beason should be cleared to practice Monday. That likely makes Beason available for the regular-season opener Sept. 8 in Detroit, though it remains to be seen how much he'll be able to play after missing all of training camp with a foot injury.
- Fullback Henry Hynoski has a "contusion" of his shoulder and felt better Friday than he did after leaving the game Thursday. Sounds as though they have avoided a major problem with Hynoski.
- Wide receiver Mario Manningham has a strained calf. This likely means the end for Manningham with the Giants, though Coughlin wasn't giving anything away about final decisions on that or any other aspect of the final roster cuts due Saturday.
The Giants will practice four more times before their Sept. 8 "Monday Night Football" opener against the Lions in Detroit. They don't have much time to be a work in progress if they want to avoid losing games in September.
"Don't get me wrong. We're ready for Week 1," Manning insisted. "But as a season goes on, you're always looking to improve. You don't want to alarm people and say, 'We've got to get better.' That's just part of it. We're going to keep getting better, but we still can go out there and be successful and do the things to win games but still strive to make improvements on offense."
Manning pointed to some positives he said he saw in the preseason, including a relative lack of turnovers and the fact that they won all five of their games. He said new offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo, who's calling plays for the first time in his career, has been "decisive" with it and the process has been smooth, and he's looking forward to a real regular-season week of game-planning for the Lions. His hope and belief is that everything will look better now that the games count.
In other Giants news:
- Cornerback Prince Amukamara said he's fully healed from his groin injury and expects to practice next week without restriction. Amukamara said he could have played Thursday night if it had been a real game.
- Guard Geoff Schwartz is a candidate for the short-term injured reserve list, which would cost him the first eight weeks of the season. Schwartz said Friday that he hoped to be back sooner than that, and that the team hadn't broached the topic with him. In order to use the short-term IR designation on Schwartz, the Giants would have to put him on their 53-man roster Saturday and then designate him for IR early next week. So unless they believe he'll be out for the whole season (which they do not) , the Giants will delay the decision on Schwartz.
- Kick return specialist Trindon Holliday, who has missed almost all of camp with a hamstring injury, said he believes he'll be ready to practice next week. The question is whether the Giants will put Holliday on the 53-man roster Saturday, or whether they'll cut him and look at other options. Holliday and Odell Beckham Jr., who also has missed all of camp with a hamstring injury, are the top two candidates at punt returner, so if the Giants believe they have a need there they could cut Holliday and keep someone like wide receiver Preston Parker for punt returns. But if they really believe Holliday is healthy enough to practice next week, they could keep him and use someone like Rueben Randle as the fallback on punt returns.
- Fullback Henry Hynoski (shoulder) and guard Eric Herman (leg) went for tests on their injuries from Thursday night. The team does not think Hynoski's injury is serious. They don't think Herman's is, either, but Herman is suspended for the first four games of the season for a drug violation anyway, so he has plenty of time to get healthy.
Curtis Painter for the backup quarterback job, and he clearly did. Not that they don't like Painter, but they didn't like carrying three quarterbacks last year and they won't do it again.
RUNNING BACKS (3)
Either Kendall Gaskins or Michael Cox could make it as a fourth running back, and I think the Giants would prefer to carry four. But the injury situation on the offensive line likely means they have to carry an extra player there, and this is the spot they have to take from.
Henry Hynoski has this spot locked up if he's healthy, but the shoulder injury that knocked him out of Thursday night's preseason finale could give it to Conner, who's stuck around all camp as a strong fallback option.
WIDE RECEIVERS (6)
Parker makes the team as the sixth wideout because (a) Marcus Harris is on IR, (b) Mario Manningham didn't show enough to make it and (c) he can return punts, and right now Beckham and Trindon Holliday can't because they have hamstring injuries. Holliday's lack of training camp practice time likely knocked him right off the team.
TIGHT ENDS (4)
I believe they will keep and use all four of these guys, though they'll have to rotate them in and out depending on situations. None has emerged as the do-it-all tight end they were hoping they'd find in camp.
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (10)
- J.D. Walton
- Weston Richburg
- Will Beatty
- Justin Pugh
- Charles Brown
- Brandon Mosley
- John Jerry
- James Brewer
- Dallas Reynolds
- Rogers Gaines
DEFENSIVE LINE (9)
- Jason Pierre-Paul
- Mathias Kiwanuka
- Robert Ayers
- Markus Kuhn
- Mike Patterson
- Johnathan Hankins
- Jay Bromley
- Damontre Moore
- Cullen Jenkins
Kuhn's leg injury, should it linger, could open up a spot for a defensive end such as Kerry Wynn to make the team. Bromley has looked surprisingly good in games so far and could slide in for Kuhn in the defensive tackle rotation for the short term.
It sounds as though Beason will be ready to start the season, which makes you wonder whether they might keep only five. If they do, the final cut is either Paysinger or Herzlich, who missed Thursday's preseason finale with a shoulder injury.
It helps the numbers that Jayron Hosley will be suspended for the first four games of the regular season for a drug violation. If he does make the team, the Giants will have to clear a spot for him in Week 5. This group could also swell if the Giants decide they need to keep sixth-round pick Bennett Jackson for special teams. It's going to be tough to make the Giants' roster as a corner this summer, though Amukamara's groin injury could result in a short-term spot opening.
Cooper Taylor's toe injury landed him on injured reserve. That's unfortunate for Taylor, but it helps Berhe and likely helps someone at another position, such as Adrien Robinson at tight end. The Giants like to have a balanced roster -- 25 offensive players, 25 defensive and three specialists -- but that's not a requirement.
Sure things, all.
The 28-year-old wide receiver was on the field for just four plays before leaving with a left calf injury.
Asked if he had done enough to make the final 53-man roster, Manningham responded, “I don’t know. We’ll see.”
Manningham said he heard something pop during warmups, but didn’t think it was anything serious. Manningham added that it had nothing to do with his surgically-repaired left knee. “I’ll be all right,” he said. “But it was really frustrating being that this was the last preseason game.”
With younger wideouts Corey Washington and Preston Parker, whom can both contribute on special teams, impressing during the preseason, Manningham needed to do something special on Thursday. But it didn’t happen.
The Giants had signed Manningham to a one-year contract back in March hoping that he could revert back to being the type of impact player he was during his first stint with the team.
Manningham gained a spot in Giants’ lore forever with his 38-yard sideline catch late in the fourth quarter of Super XLVI that helped set up the championship-winning touchdown.
Manningham left for San Francisco in the offseason, but tore the ACL and PCL in his left knee on Dec. 23, 2012. He hasn’t been the same player since.
- Head coach Tom Coughlin said fullback Henry Hynoski suffered some sort of rotator cuff injury but didn’t have any further details because he hadn’t seen the doctor’s report yet. Offensive lineman Eric Herman, who is suspended the first four games of the regular season, got rolled up on and was seen coming out of the X-ray room after the game.
"If they wanted to play more," the head coach of the New York Giants said, "they should have made some first downs."
After an offseason that brought a new offensive coordinator, a new system and at least six new starters on the offensive side of the ball, the preseason ended with a creepy feeling that very little has been solved. Coughlin locked in Thursday night on a first-quarter Manning incomplete pass intended for Rueben Randle.
"Again, the missed connection between Rueben Randle and Eli," Coughlin said. "'I thought this, he thought that...' Everybody in this room is tired of hearing that stuff. There's no place for that."
That was supposed to be last-year stuff. And the source of Coughlin's frustration is that these five preseason games -- as well as the practices that surrounded them -- did little to convince anyone that the last-year stuff had been left in 2013. The pass protection is still a question mark, Manning's not on the same page as his receivers, and now there are no more exhibition games left and only 10 days until the first game that counts.
"There are things we've got to improve on," Manning shrugged. "But that's why we have another week of practice."
The Giants don't sound worried, and maybe that's because worry isn't going to do them any good at this point. The season's going to start whether they're ready or not, and it's going to start without anyone convinced the offense is going to click right away. Just because they haven't proven anything on the field that would give them confidence doesn't mean they can afford to go into the season without it.
"You have to have confidence," Coughlin said. "We've had preseasons before where we haven't had a lot of numbers with our first offense. Hopefully, we can carry over."
There's a lot of hope around these parts. A lot of relatively blind faith in the ability of these players to perform better in the real games than they did in the fake ones. The one encouraging thing is that the Giants' belief in themselves seems sincere. They do not appear discouraged.
"It was the right route. It just wasn't timed right," Randle said of the play that angered his coach. "I guess he was expecting me to run it quicker since it was press. I'm pretty sure, with something simple like that, we can get it fixed. Not that big of a deal."
The regular season will offer the Giants a chance to prove that their brave preseason talk has been accurate. And it'll do that soon. Rookie offensive lineman Weston Richburg, pressed into duty this week as the starting left guard in place of the injured Geoff Schwartz, might have summed it all up when asked if he was ready to handle that job.
"I don't have a choice," Richburg said.
Ready or not, here the season comes. The Giants believe they're ready, even if they haven't proven it.
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Five preseason games weren't enough for Eli Manning and the New York Giants' passing game to show anything, and they will go into the regular season still wondering about the state of their offense.
Manning was 1-for-4 in two series in Thursday's 16-13 victory over the Patriots. The Giants finished the preseason 5-0, but Manning finished the preseason 20-for-41 for 188 yards and one touchdown across the five games. The Giants have looked all right at times running the ball this summer, but overall the passing game has looked well out of sync and the new Ben McAdoo offense continues to look like a work in progress.
Here are some other thoughts on the Giants' final preseason game of the year:
- This game was wide receiver Mario Manningham's last chance to show he belonged on the roster after a disappointing preseason. Unfortunately for Manningham, he played only four plays before injuring his calf muscle. It's hard to imagine him and his creaky legs on the final roster.
- Henry Hynoski, however, was looking like a good bet to win the fullback job. But he had to leave Thursday's game with a shoulder injury. It's unclear how serious it is at this point, but Hynoski missed the bulk of the 2013 season with a shoulder injury, so it's a legitimate concern. John Conner would be his replacement.
- Preston Parker looks to be in line for one of those wide receiver spots with Manningham likely out of the picture and Marcus Harris already on injured reserve. Parker is helped by his ability as a return man, especially with Odell Beckham Jr. and Trindon Holliday out with hamstring injuries. Parker was the primary punt returner Thursday and even lined up to return a couple of kickoffs. It didn't help him, though, that he muffed a punt in the fourth quarter.
- Weston Richburg and John Jerry started at left guard and right guard, respectively, in place of the injured Geoff Schwartz and Brandon Mosley. Both played deep into the second half, long after the starting tackles and center J.D. Walton left the game. It's possible both will have to start the regular-season opener Sept. 8 in Detroit.
- Early-game defensive standouts included Jason Pierre-Paul, who batted down Jimmy Garoppolo's pass intended for new tight end Tim Wright on the game's first play, Stevie Brown, who tackled running back James White behind the line of scrimmage, and Zack Bowman, who would have had two interceptions if the first hadn't been called back for an illegal contact penalty.
- Tight end Adrien Robinson fumbled a ball away after a 17-yard reception at the end of the third quarter, underlining the troubling fact that neither he nor anyone else has separated himself from the uninspiring pack at tight end. Kellen Davis started the game Thursday, and Daniel Fells and Larry Donnell each had his moments, but the Giants are going to have to rotate these guys.
1. How will Eli Manning look in his final tune-up? Starting quarterbacks in the NFL typically play in three preseason games. This will be Manning's fifth of this preseason, and the main reason is that he and the first-team offense haven't looked sharp in any of the first four. The Giants' first-team offense has run the ball well in spurts, but the passing game has looked a mess except for the final drive of the first half of Friday's game against the Jets. Manning, his receivers and his pass protection will want to show in the first couple of drives against the Patriots that they're in sync to an extent they have not been throughout this training camp and preseason.
2. Can the offensive line keep Manning clean? The pass protection has been a major issue in every game thus far. Left tackle Will Beatty has looked very shaky in his first two games and will try to show he's knocked the rust off after an offseason spent rehabbing a broken leg. Rookie Weston Richburg replaces the injured Geoff Schwartz at left guard while John Jerry replaces the injured Brandon Mosley at right guard. The offensive line continues to be a trouble spot loaded with question marks, and the extent to which this new group of five can play together and keep the Patriots' pass rush away from Manning will determine a lot about how the Giants' offense looks.
3. Final decisions at wide receiver. The Giants are looking for playmakers at the wide receiver position. Fourth-quarter preseason star Corey Washington could get a chance to show what he can do earlier in the game. Veteran Mario Manningham has this one final chance to prove he's healthy and explosive enough on the outside to merit a roster spot. Jerrel Jernigan has been coasting through camp as a guy who assumes he has a roster spot locked up, but the Giants would very much like to see him perform the way he did last December, even for one drive. Lots still to sort out at these positions with a week and a half to go.
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"He is every bit as solid as Belichick," said a former GM who placed Coughlin in the top tier. "He has done it over time and been very consistent. You can say he is old-school, but I think he appeals to young guys. He is very sound. Nothing falls through the cracks. These guys at the top, if I were with them, I would spend not a single minute worried about whether we were coached right or had everything covered."
As bad as things may look from a personnel standpoint on offense -- and they do look bad -- I think 2013 proved that the Giants' floor is pretty high as long as Coughlin is the coach. They started 0-6 last year and still managed to finish 7-9, mainly because Coughlin managed to keep them focused and intense at a time of the year when other teams who were out of it had given up. They won games in November against teams that had to play backup quarterbacks against them, and they won games in December against teams that had quit.
Now sure, when they ran up against contenders like Seattle and San Diego last December, Coughlin's Giants were completely overmatched and got crushed. They simply weren't good enough to compete with those teams. But in weeks when their roster was good enough to compete with its opponent, they more or less won the game. And I think that's a testament to coaching.
So as you head into 2014 as a Giants fan, worried about any number of justifiably worrisome things, one of the aspects of the team that should give you hope that it can't possibly be a total disaster is the head coach, who remains one of the best in the business.
The Giants used Manningham a fair bit with their first-team offense in Friday night's preseason game against the Jets, and they're likely to give him a good look in Thursday's preseason finale against the Patriots. First-round pick Odell Beckham Jr. missed all of training camp with a hamstring injury and is unlikely to be ready for the Sept. 8 season opener, camp star Marcus Harris was placed on injured reserve Tuesday and there remain some open spots on the roster at wide receiver.
"Any of the guys who are left know it goes from 75 to 53," Coughlin said. "You're ending up in a numbers game, and it is competitive."
Victor Cruz, Rueben Randle and Beckham are sure things to make the roster at wide receiver. Jerrel Jernigan, who's been running with the first team in Beckham's place all summer, looks like a strong bet as well, especially since he's Cruz's primary backup at the slot receiver position. Undrafted rookie Corey Washington has caught a touchdown pass in each of the Giants' first four preseason games and has obviously helped his cause. Preston Parker, who caught 40 passes for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2011 but was out of football last season, appears to be the primary punt returner right now with Beckham and Trindon Holliday hurt, and that could help him earn a spot as a wide receiver as well. Julian Talley also survived Tuesday's cuts and therefore remains a candidate to be kept.
The Giants are likely to keep four tight ends when they cut the roster to 53 on Saturday, which might make it tough to keep six wide receivers, but if they need Parker for punt returns (or as a reserve wideout) while Beckham gets healthy, they may not have a choice.
Regardless, the numbers game doesn't seem to favor Manningham unless he blows the Giants away with a strong showing Thursday night. Maybe the fact the opponent is the Patriots, the team against which Manningham's career highlight came, will inspire him before it's too late.
"He's up and moving, so obviously that's a good sign," Coughlin said of Mosley, who's been the first-team right guard since Chris Snee retired on the eve of training camp.
The Giants got good news Tuesday when they learned Schwartz would not need surgery, but it remains unclear how much time they can expect him to miss.
"He's very optimistic, and hopefully that's going to mean the recovery will be as fast as possible," Coughlin said of Schwartz. "Obviously, we can't rush him back. It certainly would be good to get him back as soon as possible, but it's not going to be easy."
In other Giants injury news:
- First-round pick Odell Beckham Jr. and kick returner Trindon Holliday missed practice again with hamstring injuries. Tackle Charles Brown and tackle/guard James Brewer sat out with shoulder and back injuries, respectively.
- Cornerback Prince Amukamara is making good progress in his return from a groin injury, but he won't play Thursday night.
- Running back Peyton Hillis appeared to be practicing in full. Hillis missed a few weeks of camp with an ankle injury but has returned to practice this week. He made a nice juggling catch on a wheel route with Jacquian Williams covering him in practice Tuesday.
The 35-year-old Brown won a training camp competition over McManus, who was traded Tuesday by the Giants to the Broncos for a conditional seventh-round pick in the 2015 draft.
The 23-year-old McManus, a strong-legged rookie, will serve as a temporary replacement for suspended Pro Bowl kicker Matt Prater. The Broncos waived rookie kicker Mitch Ewald after announcing the trade.
"I think Brandon will kick in this league," Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Tuesday. "He's a very powerful young man. Needs a little bit of work on the finer kicks, but certainly he demonstrated his ability to kick it through the back of the end zone."
McManus looked good on kickoffs during the preseason, but Brown did nothing to lose the job with the Giants. He was 23-for-26 on field goal attempts for the Giants last year, including 8-for-10 on kicks of 40 yards or longer.